“CORSETTS ARE EVIL!!” Girl, so is a bra you put on too tight or high-heels that are too high Ô.o
“She´s from the modern era, same as the author of the novel she´s in!” I know, I know, just grumpy at the nonsense that rolls around, just because some idiots who called themselves doctors couldn´t get their hands on proper corpses -.- Of HEALTHY women. And then more idiots who´d rather read books then study the body properly -.- If you really can´t run around in the damn thing, why did everyone wear them for centuries, first as stays then as corsetts? Including the maid and the housewife? Their society wouldn´t have worked if the women faint the whole time -.- Obviously nobles did all sorts of stuff, but they do so today, example: botox.
The fainting is from theatre to show a “weak woman”, only those with breathing problems had trouble, and that´s still true for bras today (as I can confirm during my monthly evil -.-). Cosetts were underwear, with the specialty that the “bones” were made of a whale baleen (the long things in the mouth for filtering krill, it´s food), a material similar to fingernail. It allowed the corsett to “mold” around the body from the heat and moisture over time, same as leather shoes do, unlike the modern stuff (like the bra wires) that stay as they are no matter your body. And since when are modern clothes made for each person? They fit you, or they don´t, then you get the closest to it, which is a “modern thing”. Which is why, same as leather shos: You buy one that fits pretty well, and then you wear it and it starts to snuggle., which is why corsetts were an investment. There were later facotories that made “ready-made” ones, but they still used machines with holes for steam in them, to “pre-snuggle” the bones.
Has fashion done wear and very unhealthy stuff? Yes. Was that the minority? Very yes. Is it the rich peoples stuff that has survived the centuries? Unfortunate yes TwT
Is it ok to not like corsetts, same as leather shoes, bras or high-heels? Obviously. Do I like the myth of the “evil corsetts”? Nope —.— Hence the wall of text, just me being grumpy XD
And another big difference to modern corsetts: The way the fabric piece are shaped, makes the damn thing be “corsett-shaped” even without the bones, unlike modern corsetts that are often flat on the table.
Quick edits: “Same as leather shoes: You buy a corsett that fits pretty well” and “Has fashion done weird and very unhealthy stuff”
Another thought for the reader: If using boning in clothes with those “corsett-techniques” is so bad, why is it still used, even in normal, everyday clothes?
@Amelia Marie honestly in those days corsets were not really comfortable.
I personally don’t like even the modern ones we have today (I own some, every woman does at some point). They may be comfortable, but everyone has their preferences.
@Amelia Marie- Why would you apply modern day logic to a manhwa which has a fantasy-historical genre?!? While there are some modern day corsets that are comfortable! That is not the case of the corsets 500 or so years ago. Especially women 5hen had to have the teeniest waists. Tha5xs why she wants to change it! Duh! 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Corsets vary a lot and come in different shapes for different eras. Not all were for hour glass shapes. Some people find corsets comfy and some people hate them. We all have unique standards of comfort.
One of the big hurdles to changing underwear fashion was to get past the idea that it was indecent for a woman to go without a corset, much like the idea of a woman going around without undies today.
@Amelia Marie I believe they meant the traditional corset where you need to tightly bind them to fit into a dress. If I’m not mistaken dresses before is so small to follow the beauty standard and that is why ladies have strict diet and still need to wear tight corset everyday. Modern corset nowadays don’t have to be bind tightly as we have various dress size
I don’t get people’s ideas about corsets I had to wear a full upper body brace for years and have also worn corsets and can tell you corsets are extremely comfortable in comparison, not all corsets were tight lace, most weren’t even so no it’s not that uncomfortable
had to chuckle a little bit cause that was the mainr virtue of cristobal balenciaga, the founder of balenciaga… she had dressed people-ranges that have been described as “huge as a whale” and “sickly” and yet the balenciaga dress made them all the center point of every party… but now balenciage has been very disappointing and its sad
captioanima
“CORSETTS ARE EVIL!!” Girl, so is a bra you put on too tight or high-heels that are too high Ô.o
“She´s from the modern era, same as the author of the novel she´s in!” I know, I know, just grumpy at the nonsense that rolls around, just because some idiots who called themselves doctors couldn´t get their hands on proper corpses -.- Of HEALTHY women. And then more idiots who´d rather read books then study the body properly -.- If you really can´t run around in the damn thing, why did everyone wear them for centuries, first as stays then as corsetts? Including the maid and the housewife? Their society wouldn´t have worked if the women faint the whole time -.- Obviously nobles did all sorts of stuff, but they do so today, example: botox.
The fainting is from theatre to show a “weak woman”, only those with breathing problems had trouble, and that´s still true for bras today (as I can confirm during my monthly evil -.-). Cosetts were underwear, with the specialty that the “bones” were made of a whale baleen (the long things in the mouth for filtering krill, it´s food), a material similar to fingernail. It allowed the corsett to “mold” around the body from the heat and moisture over time, same as leather shoes do, unlike the modern stuff (like the bra wires) that stay as they are no matter your body. And since when are modern clothes made for each person? They fit you, or they don´t, then you get the closest to it, which is a “modern thing”. Which is why, same as leather shos: You buy one that fits pretty well, and then you wear it and it starts to snuggle., which is why corsetts were an investment. There were later facotories that made “ready-made” ones, but they still used machines with holes for steam in them, to “pre-snuggle” the bones.
Has fashion done wear and very unhealthy stuff? Yes. Was that the minority? Very yes. Is it the rich peoples stuff that has survived the centuries? Unfortunate yes TwT
Is it ok to not like corsetts, same as leather shoes, bras or high-heels? Obviously. Do I like the myth of the “evil corsetts”? Nope —.— Hence the wall of text, just me being grumpy XD
And another big difference to modern corsetts: The way the fabric piece are shaped, makes the damn thing be “corsett-shaped” even without the bones, unlike modern corsetts that are often flat on the table.
captioanima
Quick edits: “Same as leather shoes: You buy a corsett that fits pretty well” and “Has fashion done weird and very unhealthy stuff”
Another thought for the reader: If using boning in clothes with those “corsett-techniques” is so bad, why is it still used, even in normal, everyday clothes?
shojoqueen
@Amelia Marie honestly in those days corsets were not really comfortable.
I personally don’t like even the modern ones we have today (I own some, every woman does at some point). They may be comfortable, but everyone has their preferences.
bonzaigirl
@Amelia Marie- Why would you apply modern day logic to a manhwa which has a fantasy-historical genre?!? While there are some modern day corsets that are comfortable! That is not the case of the corsets 500 or so years ago. Especially women 5hen had to have the teeniest waists. Tha5xs why she wants to change it! Duh! 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Mandragora
Corsets vary a lot and come in different shapes for different eras. Not all were for hour glass shapes. Some people find corsets comfy and some people hate them. We all have unique standards of comfort.
One of the big hurdles to changing underwear fashion was to get past the idea that it was indecent for a woman to go without a corset, much like the idea of a woman going around without undies today.
Annmoshi
@Amelia Marie I believe they meant the traditional corset where you need to tightly bind them to fit into a dress. If I’m not mistaken dresses before is so small to follow the beauty standard and that is why ladies have strict diet and still need to wear tight corset everyday. Modern corset nowadays don’t have to be bind tightly as we have various dress size
Amelia Marie
I don’t get people’s ideas about corsets I had to wear a full upper body brace for years and have also worn corsets and can tell you corsets are extremely comfortable in comparison, not all corsets were tight lace, most weren’t even so no it’s not that uncomfortable
kashugi911
had to chuckle a little bit cause that was the mainr virtue of cristobal balenciaga, the founder of balenciaga… she had dressed people-ranges that have been described as “huge as a whale” and “sickly” and yet the balenciaga dress made them all the center point of every party… but now balenciage has been very disappointing and its sad
zennn45
yess go girll
Sephie00
That was a lot of chapters. What a wonderful surprise.